"It’s not a lot of time to evaluate stateliness of the French Revolution"
Drakakhrust: "In the 1970s, the South American Secretary of State Henry Kissinger asked the Prime Minister» ep China, Chou En lai, as the Chinese Communist Party refers to the stateliness of the French Revolution." It’s still not a lot of time to make solid conclusions " — Zhou said.
It sounds like a joke, but in fact the answer is quite profound. 4 years back, when Georgia was revived during the "Rose Revolution", it seemed that the country rejects the past forever. But the data that come from Georgia to these days are maybe forced to repeat the formula of Chou En lai about the French Revolution.
What happened and still happens even in Georgia These days are: Coming of authoritarianism and oppression of democracy, the right of people to freely express their views, or that democracy is protected from their own enemies, suppress rebellion, besides inspired zabugornom agents? "
Nodia: "Most likely, both points of view have a certain right to exist. It’s quite a controversial decision which met with President of Georgia. Those events that took place in Tbilisi," hand of Moscow "certainly present. Our homeland pinned its hopes on the latest revolution or counterrevolution and not simply pinned its hopes, and sought to promote this. But realistically protest wave has subsided.
Some justification for the imposition of emergency the government had, but it seems like a moot point, as it was needed.
At the moment, the main thing — is that after 15 or 20 days Georgia returned to normal, and already whereupon so that no violations of democratic freedoms was not. "
Drakakhrust: "Andrei Dynko how would you respond to this questionWhat did happen in these days of Tbilisi — oppression of democracy or protection of democracy? "
Dynko: "In 1-x, I do not want to look at the role of the Russian worker who has not read Pasternak, but condemns it. We, unfortunately, Belarus does not have direct disk imaging of Georgia, we get it through the Russian, South American, Polish sources that have correspondents there.
Surely, the answer is what happened in Georgia last week, we can see the next few months. We’ll see how the presidential election will be held, announced by President Saakashvili.
Democracy — it is absolutely not the right way to gather power reset rallies and storm municipal buildings. Democracy — is the ability to choose the power and consistency of this process certain procedures. "
Drakakhrust: "Denis Melyantsou on this week celebrates the 90th anniversary of the October Revolution in Russia. Its organizer and leader stated: "Any revolution only worth something if they are able to defend themselves." Here’s communist revolution eighty years and defended.
And what you can say about the events of the Georgian revolution in light of the events of last week? "
Melyantsou: "It is quite difficult to judge on the basis of one share, as will be further developed as an action and democratic elections will follow. Differences, say, from the Belarusian situation are immediately visible. Georgia — a democracy, which is not silenced his opponents, does not suppress dissent , in the country there are channels of feedback, and because there is no mass action due to the fact that citizens no longer how to express their own protest, as it takes place in Minsk.
Georgian opposition seeks to replace power to replace the ruler of the country. This was, for example, openly declared in his own television appearance Badri Patarkatsishvili, when was that not spare its own funds to get rid of the "fascist regime." Power in such a situation does not remainwhat to do, how to protect themselves.
So, to answer your question, I would have said that it really was partly a reaction to what the government are trying to throw unconstitutional method.
Here you can still say about political aberratsyyu of the Georgian president. He has no representation that the protests may be caused by the fact that part of the population is not satisfied with the fruits of his reign. He is inclined to explain all the intervention of Moscow. And from time to time, these explanations sound completely inadequate.
Crackdown and opposition crackdown Saakashvili explains the need to protect the Georgian statehood from external enemies and accomplices of the enemy within the country. It is very reminiscent situation in Belarus. "
Belarus and Georgia: similarities and differences
Drakakhrust: "I believe that Dennis is right, and if you take a" picture ", a one-time cut of situations, they are quite identical. People who rally in the square, at the same time, I note — peacefully protesters tent city, and aggressive acceleration. What it — Minsk on March 2006 or on Tbilisi in November 2007? What are the similarities and difference between one and the other events? Nodia Emperor. "
Nodia: "Outside similarities, certainly, there. But the difference is that, in general regime in Georgia is quite democratic, neither the opposition nor the society does not bottlenecking to express their own views, a free press, you can hold demonstrations. But the government believes that if there is a danger that the demonstration will escalate in the overthrow of the rule, and if there are grounds for such warnings, the use of force is justified. In this case, the main thing in this.
Certain forces inside the opposition apparently really counting on the power scenario, and they were associated with Russia, but it does not necessarily have been the forces that act determined opposition in general. That’s why the situation allows different interpretations of events. "
Drakakhrust: "At the moment I once again appeal to our Belarusian buddies and invite them to listen to two calls of our listeners.
Man: "On November 7 all channels of the world, including" Euronews ", expressed as a Democrat Saakashvili dealt with his own opposition. Armored vehicles in the streets, clubs, tear gas, blood demonstrators from the opposition, 10s people were taken to the clinic.
Does it seem to our masters Democrats — Milinkevich Lyabedzka and Vyachorka — that against the background of their idol, a Democrat Saakashvili Lukashenko last Teran Europe looks just lamb? "
Man: "I beg your opposition political scientists to explain the difference between a" beacon of democracy "as Bush referred to Georgia, from the dictatorship in Belarus, which we Tipo is, with your words invariable listeners."
Sovereign Melyantsou You may not opposition, but political scientist correctly. So our answer to the listener. "
Melyantsov: "Thank you for the question. I would say that there is a similarity and accurate, and precise differences. But rather superficial similarities and differences between those 2 situations more thorough.
What are the similarities? And in Georgia, and Belarus there were mass opposition rally in which participants sought the resignation of the president. And here and there occurred an aggressive acceleration and tried to explain the power of protest outside factor and acceleration — the protection of the municipal building.
As for the differences. In Georgia and Belarus — a different municipal system. Georgia, like whatever says a democratic country with freedom of speech and expression, there are independent media-independent channels.
Were different background and protest. And what is important, different countries, supporting appropriate regimes in Georgia, the U.S.. Belarus — Our homeland. And hence the different results of these protests. Belarus is an aggressive acceleration, and the restoration of the previous situation crackdown in Georgia we litsezreem partial victory of the opposition, because President Saakashvili announced a premature presidential election.
Belarus protests were symbolic stocks — from an inability to express their own protest by other means, while the Georgian opposition had all the means to convey their demands to the society. "
Drakakhrust: "Andrew’s sovereign Nodia and Melyantsou sovereign states that there is no democracy in Belarus, and Georgia — have, and because actions outside similar, must be interpreted in different ways. But if in Georgia at the moment, while emergency, forbade meetings, closed independent media, broadcasting only municipal channel, then possible state that there is democracy in Georgia? "
Dynko "Saakashvili essentially far not the standard. If these people, callers on "Freedom", would have access to the Belarusian independent media, they do not read as such. Immediately after the victory of the "Rose Revolution" in Zhukovsky Daniel "Our field" wrote very sharp commentary which drew attention to populism victorious Saakashvili and the similarity of his political style and the style of Alexander Lukashenko. It was 4 years back.
The situation in Georgia is really clarified only during elections. Hard for us to judge the motives of those events. During an emergency media freedom really limited. But it will not last forever.
You Yuri very well remember the October Revolution. The October Revolution was a manifestation of democracy, democracy — it is not the law of force, if a group has the power and arrogance, it might seize power in the country.
Again, democracy — is the ability to change the power in the country as a result of free and fair elections, with a fair counting of votes, with equal access to the media of different candidates, with the possibility of public debate. All this was in Georgia, it’s all, in fact, make the likelihood of such Six Day protests. Some opposition controlled media and by the way, is how to operate these media, no democracy is not obvious to me.
If the channel "Imedi" and Georgian politicians to allow the president to call itself "Nazi" or during a speech Saakashvili let the display shows "He barks" — is far not the correct methods of political struggle.
I would also like to add that the political culture of Belarusians and Georgians are very different. Georgians — temperamentnyya people, they often change their eyes, they are often guided by the political behavior of the senses. Suffice it to recall how dramatically changed the political commitment of the Georgian population earlier, when the difference in the first year or two absolute majority voted for Gamsakhurdia, Shevardnadze later for later — for Saakashvili. Because Belarus associate with Georgia can very concerning. "