Prague accent: We have our own independence, you — own …

Mass arrests: a common reaction in unusual circumstances
Drakakhrust: "The other day celebration July 27 opposition power behaved in the usual style: ban, mass arrests, mass arrests. This statement — as usual, could and to restrict, if not for two incidents.
In 1-x, the resignation of Governors of the KGB, which are none of their predecessors, persecuted dissidents and opposition seems to have been a sign that in the sense of pressure will be given at least some relief. Some experts drew attention to the words of Alexander Lukashenko, spoken in the presentation of the new head of the KGB, "You must not serve me, and the state." But the tradition, as we see, is preserved.
In-2-x, is independent rhetoric and symbolism plays a huge role in the state propaganda and politics. July 27 opposition is not something that is not going to make a revolution, it is meant to celebrate the date that recognizes the legitimate and segodnyaschy power, in the end, in the Declaration of Sovereignty voted in 1990 in the Supreme Soviet of the BSSR and deputy Lukashenko. And in response — ban grabber arrests. Why? Alexander Fyaduta that your explanation? "
Fyaduta: "In my opinion, the power is very remembers March 2006 and very unwilling to repeat. If he persists and now young people will try to do something like a tent city, it will be a very important symbol for the entire structure of the Belarusian authorities — it will be a symbol that Lukashenko does not keep the situation under control.’s why immediately after the resignations of Governors of the KGB and should wait for what authorities will snatchers. NOT beating — it is no longer fit in the modern system of Lukashenko publicly idea, first in the West — namely mass arrests.

A. Fyaduta: "If young people try to do something like a tent city, it will be a very important symbol for the entire structure of the Belarusian authorities — it will be a symbol that Lukashenko does not keep the situation under control."

And look — not the most constructive snapped, grabbing those who can lead the youth. "
Drakakhrust: "Vitaly Tsigankov, and what is your answer: why not work on a Myagenkaya more Myagenkaya line these two incidents — human" earthquake "in the KGB and factor independence, that the opposition celebrated the date that recognizes and power?"
Tsigankov "Power again substantiated that no personnel searches, no personnel changes do not have to change the main thing — government affairs strategy to be independent of the public. And all the rhetoric and all the acts of the authorities must show that we have our own independence, and you — its independence. We will have independence with jumps, fireworks and a parade of sports, and let your independence remains behind bars or in the best case — accompanied by special forces.
At the moment, they say a lot of that power intercepts opposition slogans, and it started already long enough, after turning to ideological independence. But the nature of the current government does not allow her to share something with someone cute.

V. Tsigankov: "All the rhetoric and all the acts of the authorities must show that we have our own independence, and you — its independence."

When Lukashenko was prime integrator, he did not allow opponents to this political field, he tried not to make them not only in Belarus, but even beyond. Now, when he is the main independent, it is not necessary all the more rivals in Belarus.
Rivals in this ideological and political field must be ideologically destroyed — so far only ideologically. According to this logic even unprincipled, under any slogan of the quiet, moderate approach leaves the opposition — it still experiences a riot.
Imagine for yourself that the opposition organizes a procession with the motto "We love Lukashenko." What will happen? Dispersal within the first minute, and even particularly aggressive for insincerity and arrogance. Or imagine for themselves, that there would be some independent movement in support of Lukashenka, movement is not inspired from above. were difficulties would stir in all the mandatory structures — what to do? So the government does not tolerate rivals and wants to remain the only one in any field she chooses. "
Drakakhrust: "Ales Chobot, and what is your answer to this question: why had a normal mass arrests, which the new criteria, it would seem, could not be?"
Chobot: "In my ordinary mind as from the province, established old kalhozny assembly flow — transparter manure. Because he does what he does, it covers everything. Ivashkevich took about Reddish church. Mean, you can not go out. Took away those , who used to take. knew where to take, know how to take.

A.Chobat "old established kalhozny assembly flow — transparter manure. Because he does what he does, it covers everything."

And the same applies to changes of ministers or chairmen there KGB — endless, of mandatory and the similar. This is the transparter manure. Well they can not do on the other, at the Presidential Administration of the Republic of Belarus. May from time to time and want to, but can not. "
July 27 — nobody prazdnichek?
Drakakhrust: "And now I propose to look at the actions of the shares on July 27, so to speak, from the opposition. Last big action — March 25, also preceded by large-scale mass arrests. Yet, while the streets of Minsk left thousands of people. And presently after screws on the street came out a few 10’s of people. Why Vitaly Tsigankov. "
Tsigankov: "The reasons, I think, everyday. For most of those Belarusians who are able to go outside, which are able to at some point to express their position civilians — for their March 25 is the primary date.

V.Tsygankov: "Politically active people did not accept July 27 as the date is very important and necessary to exit onto the street."

Well, in addition, there are in society, in the midst of politically active people feel — that will bring one or another action. Before such shares as on March 25, Chernobyl Way, presidential elections, there is a feeling people may come, that something might happen.
And here for all the preparatory training, according to what the event was not allowed, that was announced just a meeting with the deputies that the main "kick" decided to apply autumn "European march" — all this led to the fact that politically active people did not accept 27 July as the date is very important and necessary for going outside. In the gradation of historical dates July 27 does not take into politically active Belarusians first place. "
Chobot: "If between us, somehow Alexander Milinkevich publicly declared through your radio:" Do not come to me as many people as necessary. Now, if it’s me 100 thousand, then … "And it is not said that would follow. You know, if it came to 200 thousand, then there would be nothing. He also spoke and said to — to go home.
People are already walking. And I read with senior for us with you people who are still walking. And they spoke: "What are we going to walk more? Listen again, we heard it all."

A.Chobat: "And since you have 100 thousand one. And then what’s the difference — it is 100 thousand or 20 people, and what they do there, on the square?"

I would ask at the moment young people to their senses. And first among themselves, without these parties staged some solidarity, solidarity, human first, not political. Then come 100 thousand. And so comes one thousand 100. And then what’s the difference — it is 100 thousand or 20 people? And what will they do there, on the square? Come, and if they are not taken away, they will go. And if you take away, it will sit. "
Drakakhrust: "Oh, by the way, also 100 thousand is not a magic number. In 1997 in Yugoslavia, when Milosevic had falsified the results of local elections in Belgrade a few weeks showed 200 thousand people, mostly students. But then the Milosevic regime resist and fell only through three years, when the street came a million people.
But back to our question about the number of protesters on July 27. Alexander Fyaduta that your answer — why such action was not numerous? So, prevented mass arrests, but on March 25 he did not stop. "
Fyaduta: "I am one hundred percent agree with the fact that the emperor read Tsigankov. We, unfortunately, the country lives under with 2 flags and celebrating different prazdnichkom. That opposition, for which March 25 — Chief prazdnichek for her July 27 — not prazdnichek. What happened at the moment when the July 27 nobody was celebrating — nobody will celebrate and in the following year, and a year later, and after two. "
One of Belarus — two independence?
Drakakhrust: "Vitaly Tsigankov, answering my first question, began talking about the ideological choice of power. As he aptly said, the government says the opposition seems to be: we have our own independence, you have — their own. And actions before July 27 and in Time July 27 — evidence that the authorities as earlier denied the right to existence of at least some other version of the country’s independence. Why is this happening?
Coming hard times now, seems to predict everything, even Pavel Yakubovich in the program "Prague accent" read about it. To a large extent these hard times that are coming — confluence of external factors, well into criteria such power and the opposition in a certain sense are objectively in the same boat, they all — Belarusians. And why, despite this, takes the same: we have our own independence, you have — their own? Alexander Fyaduta that your answer? "
Fyaduta: "If you take that one, except you, right, you’re recognized, however, that he has the same right to power, just like you. And if you admit that the opposition has the right to rule, you have something -than to share with her. In my opinion, there is exactly that. Lukashenko does not wish to share power. I’m not even talking about real rechagi power, I’m talking about the power of ideas. He uses slogans of the opposition, but he would never admit that there is someone else -the one who puts these slogans and profess it.

A. Fyaduta: "If you take someone, except you right, you’re recognized, however, that he has the same right to rule as you are."

And that’s why he never will allow the opposition to state celebrated something. Non-state, March 25 — please. And, incidentally, refers to this opposition with a certain awareness.
Remember the last time the Belarusian opposition used the municipal flag? Not the flag, which she professes municipal, and that was shameful dropped in 1995, but one power and that a significant portion of the municipal people’s believes now? This has never happened before. And, in my opinion, this will not happen. And not because the opposition did not wish to have the state’s business. Just so happened. And this is not, this flag she never uses. "
Drakakhrust: "Vitaly, not so long ago someone on the forum" Nasha Niva "applied with respect to the Belarusian situation analogy with relief that Stalin gave the Orthodox Church in 1941, when Hitler came to Moscow. Not that Christ’s image appeared on a reddish flag — no, communist ideology remained constant, but additional support Stalin then found himself. Creator comment forum NN expressed the view that perhaps the Belarusian authorities at the moment will be ready at least partly rely on cultural nationalism, which professes opposition.
No, not rested. Why? "

V.Tsygankov: "Lukashenko unbending intercepts only those slogans which are supported by most of the population at the time."

Tsigankov: "Well, the primary answer to this question is obvious — not currently until 1941 for Alexander Lukashenko. However, this immediately raises the question, what will happen when it’s such a force majeure situation, the choice between death or political life. Do not know what will be, but I think that even in such a situation, Alexander Lukashenko, not leaning on the forces which you, Yuri reads. Why?
I’ve read that the authorities began intensively enough to catch some opposition slogans, specifically related to independence. But with all this unbending Lukashenko slogans intercepts only those that are supported by the majority of the population at the time. Independence in one way or another the interpretation of all the past 10 years supports the majority of Belarusians, there remained only to give his interpretation of these ideas, which are so popular. We knew that according to opinion polls 50-60% of Belarusians were for integration with Russia, but just 80% of Belarusians were in favor of the independence of Belarus. Just power gave his version of independence.
Often you can hear-so comes to what Alexander Lukashenko speak Belarusian. Do not speak until you speak. Why? Since this is, in his opinion, is not that add to his points in the midst of the majority of Belarusians. It is sad, for example, to me, is not what he thinks, will add to his popularity. People who will appreciate it, apparently, it is unlikely to become voters. Because Alexander Lukashenko and his own feelings and disk imaging (appropriate services work) still applies the ideas that divides most of the Belarusians. "
Drakakhrust: "Ales Chobot, and your eyes, then why does not work this analogy? Say that Stalin was very tolerant of other thoughts, it seems, would be incorrect. But then, in a critical situation, he decided to rely on silencing the Orthodox Church, at absolutely no communist support. Well, it seems languid situation in Belarus and is expected — even more difficult, and why not here Lukashenko play with another line that attaches statehood. But not necessary. Why? "

A. Chobot: "All it takes for the Belarusian foreign animal as any viper. Nervously He did it, nor on the physical level does not accept, it shakes and shakes, zapivohu."

Chobot: "I will continue the idea of Vitali. Alexander Lukashenko did not speak Belarusian, because he is a man not Belarusian and Russian. It should all Russian Union in which grown. As a person must, it will be until the end of the world to hold all Russian. And all it takes for the Belarusian foreign animal as any viper. nervously He did it, nor on the physical level does not accept, it shakes and shakes, zapivohu. And so, together with the track and it shakes the entire Belarusian people, which is Russian. And it may be 90%, and can — 99%.
And what Tsigankov read that 50-60% want to be together with Russia and with all this, 80% — of it separately, it’s completely understandable. This is regionalism. In other words, imagination own individually as separate provincial and not individually 1st municipal society from another state society. Russians have a municipal community, Belarusians Russian state company do not have. Only regional. And for this reason they are indifferent all these languages and cultures. "

V.Tsygankov: "Make a career, earn money, play, relax — it’s the state government thought. And do not fool yourself for a head there is democracy, human rights, the revival of the Belarusian language — this power will take care. No" accursed "questions Dostoevsky and Pozniak. "

Tsigankov: "Why is perahoplivanne mottos, but still state-independent thought in society and in the power of very different? It is said that the state government has no idea, but I think it somehow emerged in recent years, and its motto is: "Live and nothing do not think." In the media, disk imaging is presently defined and deideyalyagizatsyya depoliticization. Alexander Lukashenko did not show as often as another 3-5 years ago. I would wish to return to the "Prague accent" where participated Pavel Yakubovich, Svetlana Aleksievich and Peter Sadowski. How then indicative said Pavel Yakubovich "less society will talk about national identity, the faster Belarus will overcome the crisis. "And really — why unnecessary debate, for which reflection? makes a career, earn money, play, relax — it’s the state government thought. And do not fool yourself for a head there is democracy, human rights, the revival of whiteRussian language — this authority will take care. No "accursed" questions Dostoevsky and Pozniak.
That "Prague accent" called "mixture bullpen and kindergarten" — the definition of Svetlana Aleksievich. Indeed, Belarusians, as small children, are now happy that they were given toys, and every year more and more expensive toys and stripped need to respond to various "bad" questions. adults for their replies — power. And it seems the Belarusian society is like a significant part of, at least.
Instead of 500 million dollars — the Communist Party election poster
Drakakhrust: "In the end, I would ask you to compare two facts: the Communist Party of the Russian Federation as a brand campaign selects images of Hugo Chavez, Fidel Castro and Alexander Lukashenko. And Lukashenko publicly entitles the introduction of its kind in the Russian election campaign. Notice to introduce opposition , those who oppose Lukashenko decent Nekhoroshev Kremlin.
And another fact: 23 July the last term debt payments for gas, which has already grown to 500 million dollars. Belarus claims that can not pay, strolling version that in response "Gazprom" may terminate the December contract and expose the European price — 280 bucks for a thousand cubic meters, while that in Belarus failed to pay and 100.
Question: Why in such critical situations Lukashenko plays broke, why tease Kremlin "geese"? What does he expect?

A. Fyaduta: "What would the Kremlin nor tried to make disgusting Lukashenko now — everything will be against the Kremlin’s candidate."

Fyaduta: "In 1-x, he was counted out. As it became clear, Our homeland gives credit to a half billion dollars, that Belarus has paid on the debt. In my opinion, Lukashenko was right. Particularly now, when the Kremlin is dependent on the public presentation, Lukashenko has trumps. For most of the voters of, those who would seek to rely on in the future, the Kremlin-backed candidate for their Lukashenko like Chavez and Castro, it if is not a saint, then as the last figure, which must be respected. because the Kremlin is nothing from them will not be able to do. After all, no matter what he tried to do disgusting Lukashenko now — everything will be against the Kremlin’s candidate.
What will happen later? Alexander G. has always worked on the principle of — wait, nothing will happen. And now he hopes that he would wait and nothing will happen. And by the way, whatever became then Russian President, he will have to deal with Lukashenko whether he likes Belarusian favorite or not. And in the first years, he will not be able to talk to him because now says Putin. After all, if we remember that Putin first about any "flies and cutlets" not read.
Because it seems to me, and now Lukashenko wins duel with Russia. What is the theme of the Belarusian language, which affected my colleagues, I wish to remind the emperor Chobot that July 27, 1994, Alexander Lukashenko has tried to keep it specifically a day of independence in Belarusian. And while it did not support the first intellectuals: how it came sovhoznikov, speaks Belarusian and tries to teach us. In my opinion, while was prepared specific error and now Lukashenko will not be repeating what he tried to do in 1994. Now he already has all the power and more it is no longer necessary. Unfortunately. "
Drakakhrust: "Ales Chobot, word for you to answer the objection that for you scored Fyaduta sire."

A. Chobot, "the Kremlin And no he does not shine. But he was hunting. A desire stronger than anything else."

Chobot: "I know nothing Fyaduta scored. I Grodno, Grodno, he let it be between us. Lukashenko in 1994 read from the paper. I wish he did not read at all, it would be better to immediately read in Russian. That was false. And for this reason, its intellectuals did not support, so keep a pacifier?
I myself started with a tutorial, memoirs Belarusian language, since I had not tried for many years while he studied and worked in military factories. Need to learn. And he is not trained and never will.
Now about relations with Russia. He still wants to be Russian president. Well hunt him is his dream, perhaps from childhood, how do I know, ask him yourself. And though by what means, even ludicrous, it will climb and climb in the Kremlin, "Belarus — is traversed by step" — it has long been said. He, as a historian, can be expected that repeat what happened during Krevsk Union: Shall I give you Lithuania and Russia, and I give to you the crown together with the queen. Well now is not such. And no he does not shine Kremlin. But he was hunting. A desire stronger than anything else. "

V. Tsigankov "Designated irritation it can cause, but is not that the Kremlin began to organize against Lukashenko crusade."

Tsigankov: "Here I agree with Alexander Feduta that Lukashenko feels no danger from the Kremlin. He feels that segodnyaschy election situation in Russia — this is a situation in which the Kremlin will not aggressively push it.
There is another, more earthy nuance. He gave his consent to the introduction of a catchy kind of Russian Communists, but he does not consider this to be a step somehow. There and use the image of Hugo Chavez, Chavez pryyazhzhav Moscow, signed, a number of agreements recently Putin’s visit to Bush. A neighbor here, Belarusian. It is understood that it is more than would be permitted. Even more so now that the Russian Communists did not threaten usurez there the political system. They — the structural opposition, they are integrated into the political system and operate within the allowable. Well, they are allowed to indulge in slightly, so take the image of Lukashenka. There is not considered, so that Lukashenko has violated any rules. Designated irritation it can cause, but is not that the Kremlin began to organize against Lukashenko crusade. Repeat coupled with Feduta that the Kremlin is currently very unprofitable. "

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