Interview with V.Shamanovym

Interview with V.ShamanovymIn the near future paratroopers strolling around a lot of rumors. It was reported that on the basis of their Tipo will create the National Guard. That winged infantry throw to cover the Russian military bases abroad. What's Next for "blue berets", which tasks they do, in an exclusive interview with "RG" told the commander of the Airborne Forces Hero of the Russian Federation Vladimir Shamanov.

Vladimir, where such a buzz about the assault? How do I know after all those rumors and touched you personally.

Vladimir Shamanov: I think this is a provocation of information. Media reported that I was even summoned to the Kremlin — Tipo to discuss the new challenges of the Airborne Troops.

Anxiously declare that nothing like that happened. With no one on this topic, I did not conduct any debate.

The main purpose of Airborne — a reflection of external aggression, and not doing police work.

When read as a whole, the landing was and still is the reserve of the Supreme Commander.

In other words, subject only to the president of the country?

Vladimir Shamanov: Not exactly. Minister of Defence and the Chief of the General Staff, we also comply.

You can not break the concepts related to the peaceful and military life. With the start of at least some, including local, general management of the war fighting crosses to the commander in chief. Obey him and the Armed Forces and Minister of Defense with the Chief of the General Staff. A man running the army is obliged to have a reserve. Applying it can dramatically change the situation in the fields of labor. Because everything is reasonable.

Why is the role of the cerebral reserve was taken specifically Airborne?

Vladimir Shamanov: I think there have affected the unique abilities of the Airborne Troops. At the moment, made to look like that, or otherwise act in the United States and NATO. Airmobile component of Americans own army is constantly developing. But if we compare it with the Navy, it is in many ways inferior to us Americans. Do they, for example, there is no desantiruemye armored vehicles, they are limited to drop a load.

At the same time, Russian troops — is today the only branch of service, where battalions are ready to act in its environment. Like last chief of the Head of the combat training of the Armed Forces, I reverently say, no one in Cilah general purpose tasks such is not working out. And the Marines have already mastered them.

Let us look at the other information — that Airborne Division still being reshaped to Brigade?

Vladimir Shamanov: There is an approved plan by the President of the Armed Forces until 2016. According to him, the Airborne troops, at least in the coming four years, will remain divisional structure. But in the future we can see the version and build Airborne Brigade.

My predecessors as commander of the Airborne Forces — the generals Alexander Kolmakov and Valery Evtukhovich — have developed, in my opinion, entirely correct ideology. If you reformiruete three global branch of the armed forces, yet leave the Navy in its present form. And when the "run-in" structural changes in practice, life will give a clue what to do next.

In favor of this approach suggests the war with Georgia in August 2008. 19th Brigade of North Caucasus Military District, as in the whole 58th Army, which I had once commanded, as it is sad to admit, were not able to independently solve the puzzle of localization of the aggressor on the ground in South Ossetia. But it did Airborne troops redeployed to the Caucasus railway and air transport.

With its emphasis on foreign experience, all for some reason they say about the structure of the Brigade of the American army, but forgets — in their division and in fact is. This niskolechko not prevent, however, even helps to create a sustainable management system. Such a system we have at the moment to create a Russian army. In my opinion, building a divisional Airborne from the standpoint of management is more good for today.

But one team in the airborne troops already there.

Vladimir Shamanov: Yes, in Ulyanovsk. I served in this connection, even when it was stationed in Azerbaijan. Then it was called the 104th Guards Airborne Division. Her "reformatting" the brigade was associated with a decrease in the number of Navy. After all the calculations it turned out — for people divisional staff is not enough. And then decided the brakes on the brigade.

I occasionally meet with veterans of the connection. They said: Our division waged war in the Russian majestically, you need to return to her former status.

Is it real?

Vladimir Shamanov: Now this is not a criterion. I hope that someday they will be.

Mobile Reserve

In the vicinity of the military has its own amphibious brigade. Who controls them?

Vladimir Shamans: The joints — two in the East and one in the south — are subject to the District Commander. How do I know you want to deploy a brigade in the Western military environment. What's all the same for the Central, the General Staff said, and we support him in this — there is quite a 31-th separate air assault brigade Airborne.

Operational-strategic commands, especially in the East, of course, need to have airmobile reserve. He first will respond to the emerging conflict. The emergence of the latest "hot spots" is easier to prevent a demonstration of the flag than the "stew" of her then the whole world. Often it comes out.

What did then engaged in airborne?

Vladimir Shamanov: If we talk about the air assault connections, they need to respond quickly to external dangers, especially when it comes to covering the state border. Second function — perform antiamphibious and anti-tasks in the interests of strategic commands. And the third — on the basis of our divisions is preparing for resource mobilization of military districts.

It's no secret that the appeal is currently trying to organize on a territorial basis. Recruitment offices in almost all cases, the recruits are sent to serve closer to home. And when the soldiers fired into the stores do not have to crush your head, where to get the soldiers in case of war. I think this is reasonable in all respects ideology.

In your opinion, landing four divisions and one airborne brigade is not enough for such a big country as our home?

Vladimir Shamanov: We constantly analyze the actions undertaken in recent years in the Arab world, in Afghanistan, in Iraq. And litsezreem — big collisions of huge masses of people who were in the second world war, no longer in sight. Taking into account that our homeland has such a guarantor of sovereignty as nuclear weapon, detect conflicts scale five-day war with Georgia Airborne in their current form is quite enough. Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces has set puzzle — to be able to immediately locate one conflict and one small — medium intensity. We will cope with this task.

Even though the airborne division, one might say, reduced strength — only two regiments.

Vladimir Shamanov: There is a traditional Russian ternary system. Three platoons make up a company, three companies — a battalion, three battalions — the regiment. A three regiments — division. But in the airborne compounds at the moment really for two regiments. Do not rule out that after 2030, when it will be seriously increased the attractiveness of military service under the contract and relationship experts to recruits will be 70 to 30, the situation will cha
nge. Maybe then it would be appropriate to raise the issue of the deployment of additional airborne or air assault regiment in each Airborne Division.

In other words, at the moment there are neither appropriate amount of technique or professionals?

Vladimir Shamanov: Specifically the case. Why untrained soldier trust an expensive military equipment? Here we must proceed from the principle of reasonable sufficiency. Now she is.

Control shot

A couple of years back you looked new Russian-made sniper rifles and they were not very happy. Something has changed since that time?

Vladimir Shamanov: In-1's, began upgrading machinery equipment factory in Izhevsk and Tula, with whom we work. Now we are waiting that their products will make significantly better fighting properties that will allow the substitution of old times start Dragunov sniper rifles.

In addition, after our snipers have been trained in the Navy was passed to testing of 20 foreign-made sniper rifles. We tried them all weather criteria. Along with the benefits to our instrument, was detected in imported samples from other countries and significant flaws. Zabugornye rifle in the cold to stone on the sand cease fire. In general, we have again made sure that simplicity — this is a common dignity of Russian weapons, which should be cherished. But, obviously, is not to the detriment of quality.

There are huge advances in the development of tools that increase the effectiveness of automatic weapons. For example, there was a thermal imager, "Shaheen," became better the collimator sights, the whole range of optics. Together with the main command of the Army we are working on the definition of a good fighting equipment. Separately, I wish to say about the introduction of automation, the constituent elements of "Flight-K." It will allow to significantly reduce the time to explore, search and transfer target indications. With the result that the accuracy and efficiency increment destruction by fire.

Infantry winged, but the wings of their own Airborne not. Is this normal?

Vladimir Shamanov: Abilities aviation industry at the moment is limited, because all funds are concentrated under the wing of the Air Force. Such logic is all-inclusive approach. With all this issues that we put on interaction with aircraft, with each year are solved better. For example, last year the teachings of Novorossiysk and Ulyanovsk were not only with the use of military transport and tactical aircraft, and with the massive introduction of helicopters. Another 5 years ago on this one could only dream. With VDV work even languid Mi-26. No problems in interspecific assistance was not.

At the same time, taking into account the gradual saturation of the troops with new helicopters, we are considering the possibility of a landing assault his army aviation connections. In other words, helicopter units.

By the way, why do you have one division called Airborne, and others — air assault?

Vladimir Shamanov: In the first throw with parachutes 100 percent of the people and technology. Secondly the technique desantiruyutsya only one battalion from each regiment. Others are planted on already occupied by the enemy airfields.

Incidentally, in the future this division will have the opportunity to air assault battalions heavier weapons. Budding combat vehicle BMD-4M, for example, has two options armor. Baseline — when discarded car with a parachute. The intensification — when the funds instead of landing, as it is almost two tons, the "Quartet" further strengthen the armored plates. In a second embodiment, the security, of course, will be higher. For applications that do not involve landing by parachute, priemuschestvenno will use more languid and in the future — a military air assault connection. They are also meant to ensure their aircraft.

In local conflicts, judging from the experience of the Chechen campaigns Airborne Division in most cases, is used as a helicopter landings. And in the standard, for sure, VDV need to have one or two real army aviation brigade — 20 drums and 40 special vehicles and helicopters. Plus unit drones. After using them we can solve many tasks — from reconnaissance to strike.

But why these teams do not throw in the Air Force? Let's say you need to helicopters. Apply for and receive all necessary.

Vladimir Shamanov: I follower of returning army aviation to those for whose benefit it works. And then the helicopter will definitely not be in the role of stepchildren. Let's call a spade a spade. It is necessary, for example, to carry out the reduction in the Air Force. Who is the first and more away? Army aviation.

Regular military transport aircraft airborne not necessary?

Vladimir Shamanov: This is totally different. Military transport aircraft operates not only in the interests of Airborne. It has established for the transfer of goods, and the evacuation of the wounded, etc. Because transport aircraft may be exclusively in the Air Force.

With what fly on that and waging war

Clarify the situation with the BMD-4. Prior to 2015, planned to buy more than a thousand troops for such machines. But the Ministry of Defence, as I heard, shall be removed from the contract. "Four" Navy no longer needed?

Vladimir Shamanov: The machine we need the air. I will say more — re-think their own priority. Our technological backwardness is simply rolls over. 95 percent of the armored vehicles operated 35-40. A discrepancy between the BMD-1 and BMD-2 solved puzzles even showed both campaigns in the North Caucasus. There Airborne Division had to reinforce artillery and tanks infantry divisions. Even in the fight against gangs we lacked firepower. And if the enemy is more serious if you have to act without fire support to infantry? With the 30-mm gun and one triggered by an anti-missile once the tower is now not much navoyuesh. During the five-day war in the village in the Foothills of the ambush was a Russian company. Past it was a column of Georgian tanks. Our guide on four ATGM launchers for — the officers. But none have pressed the trigger. Remembering how the landfill of 5 of these four systems did not work, they just do not dare to storm.

The idea to equip airborne combat vehicle with a tank firepower appeared during the Afghan war. The result, we have received only at the moment, and that — not once. The first version of the BMD-4 had a "raw" unreliable base. But modernized, made in Kurgan version of "four" — BMD-4M we are completely satisfied. Fighting module "Bakhcha-U" with a digital fire control system, a 100-mm gun and fires a projectile through a barrel guided allows it, as artillery fire from indirect fire and destroy any tanks, without going into the affected area of the instrument. 5 of these machines, whether they are in a wait, vlegkuyu would burn Georgian tank battalion.

Why, then, BMD-4M is not a series?

Vladimir Shamanov: unclear. And it is now our largest discrepancy. In 2009, the Ministry of Defence agreed with the industry on the complete retooling Navy to the "Quartet" — provided that Kurganmashzavod at their own expense to bring it suitable Conditions. Industrialists met its obligations, the BMD-4M included in the Municipal weapons program from 2020, approved by the President of Russia. In the spring of 2011, the General Staff proposed to strengthen bronezaschischennost "Bahchi", then had to begin its delivery. Chief designer made a revision. Tests have shown that the characteristics of which are laid in a new tactical and technical requirements are achieved. But supply is still there. As there is no logical explanation of the decision to abandon them.

In order to offer you something in return? After rising again subject to a single machine and Airborne Infantry …

Vladimir Shamanov: Do not offer. Well, there is nothing to choose. Armo
red "Lynx" and "Tiger" armed worse BMD-2. Armored personnel carriers that make Arzamas, not desantiruyutsya are feeble engines, weapons and armor. Well, a single machine for airborne and infantry could not create because of weight restrictions in landing. Why then restrict bronezaschischennost infantry our framework? Especially since the introduction of the concept of fighting with other airborne. We need desantiruemye, swimming, agility and firepower owns the harsh machine. Since the rear of the enemy have no tanks, no artillery, no support. With what we fly, and on the fight. A fly on the puzzle, even the level of a five-day war, we are now there is nothing.

Certainly, once the machine will be better, "four". But in the coming 7-10 years, the industry will not offer it. A BMD-4M us now more than happy. Troopers on it to make war, and no one knows better than we do, what should be such a machine. Without re not coming in Airborne. No recent BMD landing troops in modern warfare prepared for the role of saboteurs, guerrillas. Because we will fight for it. I think the time has come to take on this issue is not only the military, and political decision. Especially since the President of the Russian Federation has approved the — by the year 2015 in the Armed Forces have 30 per cent of modern technology.

Universal soldier

Follow-up question on the Kalashnikov assault rifle. You are satisfied with its landing option? After all, the Ministry of Defence is understood to be removed from his purchases.

Vladimir Shamanov: I believe that the need to have a chain Infantry Kalashnikov is not lost. After passing a number of improvements, it has and will have its own niche in the field. Another issue is that the army has a long guns in store itself, and more machines is not necessary yet. Hurry, you need to upgrade the existing standards.

At the moment, they say a lot about the gear a soldier of the future. In your opinion, it should have its own in each species and type of troops or need a single, unified for all the armed forces of the standard?

Vladimir Shamanov: We agreed with suhoputchikami in outlook, which is 80 percent of it must be a single unit. And 20 percent of your equipment needs to be adapted to the features of the service intelligence, special forces, marines, paratroopers, members of other military occupations. Simply put, everything that makes a fighter a fighter should be one. And what makes the spice spices — it personally. General — this helmet, boots, vest, belt, pouch, bayonet …

And with regards to 20 percent of the landing?

Vladimir Shamanov: There will also be a difference — for airborne commando one for our spy — more. If you take the ordinary trooper — a soldier or officer of Airborne Company — then first of equipment necessary to provide good optical device and an electric tablet, where the soldier will at least create their own comrades.

With all this new equipment has to be what is called, lifting. Weight above 25 kg, not every person will stand. And when he offered himself to carry on for 40 kg, — it is impossible. After all equipment is necessary not just to raise with him will have to move — often at an accelerated pace. For this reason, I always say, loaded on to a fighter all he can come in handy — it is unreal. But the need to strive for it. By the way, in recent years, our industry has taken a big step up in quality and properties of materials. It is not only the uniforms, and helmets, body armor, etc.

Brand new form of paratroopers like?

Vladimir Shamanov: Once criticized tissue, improving its noticeable. Quality lingerie, including vest and underwear, too completely satisfied. With regards to the form field, there are peculiarities in the 98th Airborne Division and the 31st separate airborne brigade. These compounds are part of the Collective Rapid Reaction Force, which identified a single standard field form. She and the other cut, and color is special.

7th Airborne Assault Division has the necessary equipment for operations in the mountains. I will say more: we even equipped Raevskii — is near Novorossiysk — a mountain range. All you need to get paratroopers. 10 years ago, such support communications, automation, equipment and other necessary things for the fight could only dream. The requirements in effect at the Navy now two: in the long term, we need our own helicopters as soon as possible — brand new airborne combat vehicle.


55-year-old Lieutenant-General Vladimir Shamanov Commander of the Airborne Troops since May 2009. Service in the Navy began a cadet of the Ryazan Airborne Command School. It has been virtually all the "hot spots" on the territory of the former USSR. For his courage rewarded with 4 military orders. The title of Hero of the Russian Federation Shamanov appropriated for special awards at winding up of bandits in Dagestan in August-September 1999.

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