How profitable the RF military-technical cooperation with China?

Like RF treat China: as a partner or a competitor? This should be considered from the geopolitical and economic point of view. Supplying arms to Beijing, we are helping to create in their Far Eastern border is not only a powerful neighbor, and rival on the world arms market. On this and other issues in an exclusive interview with "military-industrial complex" reflects the Deputy Director of the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation Vyacheslav Dzirkaln.

— Viacheslav Karlovich, you not long ago returned from the United Arab Emirates, where visited the exhibition of arms in Dubai. What lessons, conclusions and memories endured?

— "Dubai Airshow" — the largest regional air show. The exhibition, presented by different companies out there, was quite fascinating. This time the focus is lured contracts for the purchase of civilian aircraft. Concluded two naikrupneyshie deals of the year: the United Arab Emirates with "Boeing" — 18.5 billion dollars (plus 8000000000 — option), and a consortium of Qatar "Airbus-Industry" — 8.5 billion Emirates, like Qatar, are going to re-equip its own civilian air fleet, which, according to their statement, slightly outdated, and these transactions can be considered in terms of purchased machines indicative of the exhibition. In addition, they provide an opportunity to understand: how and where the market is moving aircraft.

On the part of in the "Dubai Airshow-2011" took the role of 5 companies that displayed their products in one of the pavilions. More enthusiasm aroused exposure Rosoboronexport and United Aircraft Company (UAC). Took advantage of the attention and products of JSC "Helicopters of Russia", Engine Building Company "Salute", the manufacturer of navigation systems — of "Compass". Our pavilion during its opening visited by the head of Dubai, Sheikh Mohammed, emphasizing that our homeland is on display for the tenth time.

The talks were held once a day and is quite active. In this case, not only with the countries of the Middle East region, and with other delegations. First, of course, aroused the enthusiasm of companies helicopters Kamov and Mil. Careful attention to themselves lured to our warplanes.

We are currently implementing a policy role in large-scale events as a single exposure. And when we came to our partners, the negotiations were conducted on three fronts at once: aircraft grade Su and MiG & Training Yak-130.

Shows in Dubai and the Russian air defense system, first-range — "Book," "Thor," in which consultations were also conducted. The contracts have not been signed yet, but I'm not a supporter of that, so they concluded specifically for salons. First, they are designed to showcase products, demonstrations, and an agreement for the purchase and sale of arms, military equipment should be carefully prepared. And sign the documents would not be at the shows. Immediately conversation was faster on the publicity work.

The conclusion is. I believe that the Russian exposition was quite harsh and the needs of the Middle East market, with not only the IWT market. For example, the same "Salute" presented as engines for combat aircraft, as well as desalination, gas compressor installation, a different technique. I repeat: we are not confined to the production of military purpose. Aim set was achieved. Once again we have shown that our homeland is also a leader in aircraft engine and enthusiasm we have not gone.

— How do you assess the prospects for development and production of weapons with China?

— Let's face it: China — a severe power from the standpoint of the creation of different types of weapons. Suffice it to recall vehicles manufactured in China Army, aerial and naval equipment. The issue you raised is very true: we really need to go to the next step in our relationship. And the search for mutually beneficial cooperation in the development and production of certain types of weapons and military equipment.

It's no secret: we are right and rivals on different arms markets. Because agreed with our partners about finding areas of cooperation where they could not oppose, but to cooperate. First on the markets that are profitable to both parties. And at the moment there are topics which are already being worked out seriously.

While there is talk about the results is most likely still early, but a work in progress, mutual understanding achieved. And I think that soon we will be able to enter the markets of AME with some joint product. At first, perhaps, military shipbuilding, aviation. With all this suggest something useful and progressive take from our partners, and they — we. Chinese colleagues did not stop state that our homeland — one of the leading global developers and manufacturers of arms and military equipment, because, I repeat, they are willing to work closely with us.

— How in that case will be solved the problem of the protection of authors' rights? After all, the subject is, as we know, is quite unhealthy for the Russian Federation?

— Yes, there was a time when we really uncontrollably gave our mental property and did not get any of it, so to speak, of dividends. But in the last 10 years are working intensively not only with China, and with the countries — participants of the former Warsaw Pact, which in Russian is quite time-intensive broadcast license to create a weapon. Already some 10 s agreements to protect the intellectual affiliations with these states have signed. As for China, it is an agreement signed in 2008. It is supervised and maintained by "supervision" for them Russian Federation Ministry of Justice. As part of the agreement at this time formed working groups to implement it.

Yes, of course, this question is very sharp and unhealthy for us. Because we will continue to make severe efforts in order to protect the rights of our developers.

— And maybe if the resumption of military-technical cooperation with China in combat aircraft, in which nedavneshnem in the past managed to achieve significant results?

— In principle, this cooperation did not stop. In 90 years, an agreement was signed for the licensed production in China Su-27 fighters. Part of it is implemented, although so far remain prepyadstviya that require resolution, and the search for compromises in progress.

Did not interrupt the supply of spare parts, lasted services to modernize and aircraft completions. Because I would not claim that ended the cooperation with China in this field. And at first the planes of the Su-27, Su-30MK2, other machines.

After the catastrophic events in China, the earthquake, the Chinese side turned to us with a request to supply military transport aircraft Il-76 first. We were ready to go forward. But due to certain neuvvyazkami in their production deadlines probable transmission moved in 2014. And the Chinese were talking about 2011-2012. And yet, a solution was found. We found a delivery option in the presence of — in other words machines which are operated. The contract for the first three aircraft has been made. Furthermore, we proposed a few boards. So the work in this direction is quite intense.

— But will not cause a growth of supply engines to China cooling in military-technical cooperation with India, as China re-exports these engines to Pakistan?

— The fact that the re-export of China produces not only in Pakistan, and in a number of other states. Speech — a light fighter aircraft JL-17. But in-1's, these aircraft in their tactical and technical features can not compete with the machines that we supply India — Su-30 and MiG-29. These modern fighters form the basis of Indian Air Force, and so we talk abo
ut any preferences that gets, say, the same Pakistan as part of the supply from China, it would be incorrect.

In-2, we passed the Indian side of the license for the RD-33 engines. In other words, at the moment the engines are made in India with more than the highest capacity, surpassing its characteristics are those that implements our homeland China.

That's why I do not see here any severe problems and complications. China trades in accordance with its rules. The Chinese have their own enthusiasm, we own. Supplying the engines of China, we are supporting their first aircraft industry.

— What is the place at the moment China in the list of importers of Russian weapons by knapsack orders? What applets, excluding deliveries of aircraft engines and helicopters for various purposes, are implemented at the moment with China?

— At the beginning of the present century came a period of cooperation with China, when we were limited to the supply of spare parts for military equipment and certain types of ammunition, carrying out repair work. But over the last two or three years, the amount of military-technical cooperation has grown significantly. And at this point, China, I believe, is in the top three leading countries — partners of Russia in this sphere. Outlined here and Values — aviation theme, cooperation in shipbuilding and other areas.

Currently embarked on is to ensure the uninterrupted service of the equipment that we had previously delivered, through the creation of service centers. Already held consultations on the establishment of service Kamov helicopters (on the ground in China) and Chinese Navy ships.

Stress that China — a very cold country, which develops and produces quite a lot of weapons. But for the most sverhtehnologichny WME models as before refers to the Russian Federation. The rest of the Chinese have learned to create for yourself, for example lightweight fighters that I mentioned.

Another more fundamental direction of our cooperation — joint research and development projects for the benefit of the Chinese industry. And it is also a long-term project.

— Does it feel the hot breath of the Chinese comrades behind us in the Latin American, African and Asian markets?

— Of course, though what the market implies konkurentnst. Whether it be military or civilian clothing products. And China is no exception. It produces a fairly wide range of weapons, because, as you said, the hot breath of the Chinese comrades we feel, including conventional markets for us — in Africa, Latin America and Asia. First question about the technique of ground forces, including armored vehicles and cars. In the near future the Chinese offer prospective buyers lightweight fighters, transport planes, helicopters, air defense medium-range missiles. In the development of these types of weapons and military equipment, they also have gained some success.

But it does not have to read about someone who interferes with, and what is necessary to draw conclusions from this. In my opinion, is just such a spur competitiveness of our Russian producers find inspiring new forms of cooperation to be more flexible in the advertising policy. Because a similar competition can only benefit. It does not allow our companies to sit on the old baggage, forcing them to develop new standards of AME. As for this price policy.

— Are there mechanisms to counter Chinese practice of unlicensed copying Russian weapons? Broadly, for example, is known for example unlicensed production in China, our AKM.

— This question is not once open a discussion on the different levels. I believe that the signing of an agreement on the protection of intellectual accessories, as mentioned earlier, is a very principled and harsh our victory. It just needs to find a mechanism to protect the development of Russian manufacturers, enables us to act in a more perfect and confident.

We were also impressed by the position of our partners, who do not deny the need to find good ways to solve the problem in order to avoid accusations of plagiarism and copying. We go like on a collision course.

— But some in Russia has generally abandon the military-technical cooperation with China on new fronts in addition to meeting the signed agreements. It would be in our best interest?

— Take into account that we are with China are strategic partners. MTC only part of the overall cooperation of, although very basic. I am a supporter of the continuation of its development. All the more so that there is full awareness of both sides that need it.

I would advise those hot heads, demanding roll MTC with China, just as it should all obmozgovat and weigh again. It is more that just do not see how there-or severe abuse of Russian military-industrial complex.

The main thing — surely build its foreign policy. To be able to defend the interests of Russian producers, realizing with all this, that the military-technical cooperation should be profitable to both Russia and China. This is a two-way road.

Personal File
Dzirkaln Viacheslav Karlovich

Born in 1954 in Riga. In 1975 graduated from Riga Higher Military Aviation Engineering School named YI Alksnisa. He served in various positions in the Soviet Air Force. Since 1980 — in a separate test training aviation regiment special purpose research test center for training astronauts. In 1996, assigned to the Municipal Committee of the Russian Federation on military-technical policy, and then to the Ministry of external economic relations, the Ministry of Trade. In February 2001, he headed the Office of Regional Policy Committee of the Russian military-technical cooperation with foreign countries by the Federal Service for military-technical cooperation. Decree of the President of the Russian Federation in December 2004 he was appointed Deputy Director of the Federal Service for military-technical cooperation. He was awarded the medal "For Military Merit" Order of Friendship. Lieutenant General.

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