Lieutenant General Hamid Gul, a retired was the CEO of the Interagency Intelligence Service of Pakistan (ISI) from 1987 to 1989. At that time, he worked closely with the CIA in support of the mujahideen fighting against the Russian occupation of Afghanistan.
Although he then was considered a staunch ally of the United States after his name appeared in almost all of polemical publications. He made statements that the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 were "an inside job." The U.S. government's support of vinyl Taliban, even suggesting the UN Security Council to include it in the list of international terrorists.
Major General Hamid Gul, Director General of ISI (last left) and William Webster, director of the CIA, George Clare, Director for Operations, and Milt Bearden, a resident in training camp for the Mujahideen in the North-West Frontier Province of Pakistan, 1987 (photo from the website RAMA.org).
In his exclusive interview with "Foreign Policy Journal," I asked the former chief of the ISI, which his response to the allegations. He said: "I would have said it's funny, because I was working with the CIA and I know that they were never as bad as they are today." He said that "it is sad for the people of South America" because the CIA to be the "eyes and ears" of the country. As for the charges of supporting the Taliban, "This is completely unfounded. I have no contact with the Taliban, Osama bin Laden and his colleagues. " He added: "I have no money and no ability to support them or help them."
After the Clinton administration suffered misfortune in the elimination of bin Laden in 1998, some South American officials said that Bin Laden was taken out by someone in Pakistan, citing the fact that U.S. intelligence agencies could track his movements through his satellite phone. National Security Council adviser on counter-terrorism Richard Clarke said: "I have reason to be confident that the last ISI chief could give information to members of" Al Qaeda "of an impending attack." And some people implied that the said retired ISI chief was none other than Lt. Gen. Hamid Gul.
When I told the charges himself, General Gul pointed out to me the fact that he retired from the ISI June 1, 1989, and the army — in January 1992. "You shared this information with the ISI? — He asked. — And why do not you blame the ISI in the transfer of the former head of the disk imaging? '. United States failed to inform the commander of the Pakistani army Jehangir Karamat about their plans, he said. Because he could not find out about the plan, and to be able to warn bin Laden? I have a "mole" in the CIA? If this is the case, then it than to incriminate me, it is better to pay attention to the CIA to conduct an investigation to find this "mole". I think all this is baseless allegations and there is no truth in them … And if they feel that they need to pass their failures on someone else, then they are guilty of this, not me. "
General Gul turned our conversation on September 11 and the war in Afghanistan. "You know, my position is very clear — he said, -" I came to her for moral judgments. And I say that America is beginning his anger without the right reason. They do not even have proved that on September 11 — it was the work of Osama bin Laden or the "Al-Qaeda". He said that "in the history of the many unanswered questions," citing as an example the fact that failed to intercept any of the four planes after it became clear that they were captured. He asked how Muhammad Atta, "who studied the management of light aircraft in Miami six months," could spend most difficult maneuver "so neat" to successfully hit the target (it is reported that Atta took flight number 11, "American Airlines", this aircraft was the first to Shots on goal — the North Tower of the Global Trade Center at 8:46 am). He also touched on the aircraft crashed into the Pentagon and the maneuver undertaken by the pilot, plan a few thousand feet in the process of turning 360 degrees before the rip up his target. "And, after all," — he added — "why did not fly heads? The FBI, the CIA, the service control air travel — why they have not been brought to justice? ". In describing the work of a special commission to investigate the terrorist attacks of September 11, the words "shadow on the fence," the general said, "I think that the people of South America have made fools. My sympathies to his side. I love it. I appreciate it. I've been to America a few times. "
At this point in our discussion, General Gul explained to why the U.S. and Britain have completed grant him a visa. According to him, after he denied the United Kingdom, he wrote a letter to the British Government by the Imperial Commissioner in Islamabad (diplomatic, consular head of one of the states of the Commonwealth of England in another Commonwealth country), asking, "Why did you do this — if I present a safety hazard, it is paradoxically, to exclude me from your jurisdiction. For you would be better to have me arrested, an investigation to land, to judge anything. I mean, that banning me check in England, do you do not understand. " He says that after he sent the second letter, offering England send someone to question him in Pakistan, if there are questions to which they would want to have answered. If the U.S. wants to include it in the list of international terrorists, then, says Gul, as before he is ready to file a request for a visa. "And I'm going … if they think that something with me seriously so, so you do not have to give me a visa and then did not hold up? '.
"They have no character"
I turned the conversation to the war in Afghanistan, offering to discuss the stated goals of the war as an eagerness to perform justice for the accused of plotting the September 11 attacks Osama bin Laden. Also in the plans to overthrow the Taliban regime, supported the actions of terrorists. The FBI does not include the September 11 attacks in the list of crimes for which bin Laden is wanted. After the war began, General Tommy Franks, responding to a question about his capture, he said: "We were that Osama bin Laden is the aim of our efforts." Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Richard Myers also soon, said: "Our goal was never to catch bin Laden." And President Bush himself has confirmed that. These are self-explanatory statements speak, of course, take account of failed attempts to catch bin Laden. But what, I asked General Gulya, in his view, was the true causes of the invasion of Afghanistan, and the fact that the U.S. is there to this day?
"It's a good question, — he said. — I think you really grasped the essence. " This is the "principle of war," — he said — "that you never mix objectives. Because when you mix objectives, you lose in the end face. In this
case, the targets were mixed. Initially, it was necessary to hit the "Al Qaeda" to catch Osama bin Laden. But later, the prerequisites for an attack on Afghanistan began apparently others. "
In-1's, he says, the U.S. wanted to "reach the Central Asian oil fields" and "discover the door there", that "it was the desire of American companies, so as the Taliban refused to cooperate with them in carrying out neftegazovoprovoda through Afghanistan. «UNOCAL» — here in whom the case (ie, the American company that swallowed up "Chevron" — approx. Lane.). They want to beat the Chinese. They want to provide a more extensive field of security to Israel, and they wanted to include the entire region in this field. That's why they're so hot read as at the time of the "Greater Middle East." They rearranged the map. "
In-2, the war was "for the fact that the Taliban regime to lose, so they introduced sharia," or Islamic law, which is "in the spirit of the system, wherever it manifests itself, will promote alternative socioeconomic system. And they will never agree to it. "
B-3, it was a campaign against "Pakistan's nuclear capabilities" that "meant, but then blurts out, but at the moment they say openly." This was the premise on which the United States signed a strategic agreement with India and the mediator acted with all this Israel. "So now there are some ties between Washington, Tel Aviv and New Delhi"
Despite the achievement of some of these goals, "there are still things that are not yet done," — he says. "Because they have not yet been defeated in the war. No differences for the cards that you draw in your own mind that you plan — if not winning the fight on the field, it all turns to dust. And this is happening at the moment with America. "
"By the way, as for the American generals, I have them claim against Professor — added Gul. — They lack character. They know that the work can not be made, because they can not resist the bosses. I can not believe that they do not realize that shifted values. They can not stand people like Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney. They can say them. I think they threw the South American government, the South American people. Here I have a claim to the South American generals. So as a general must show character. It must state that the case can not be made. He has to confront the politicians. But the generals do not. "
Vorachivayas to Afghanistan, he said: "And if they now they say that from 17 000 additional troops in Afghanistan, they will win, then, even if you double that number, they shall not prevail. It is my conclusion, Professor. And I say it out loud for the sake of the South American nation, as I am a friend to him, because I always say that your policy is wrong. "
I turned the conversation to the subject of the war in Afghanistan, specifically to Pakistan itself, the question of the increased activity of extremist groups within the country, especially in the border areas where the Pakistani government is waging a war against acts of "Tehreek-e-Taliban" ("Pakistani Taliban" ). I said that this movement seems perfectly sponsored and supplied and asked Gul how and where it gets the money and the gun.
He immediately replied, "Of course, they get it across the border, across the Durand Line * from Afghanistan. And there sits the Mossad, and RAW ** sits there, they are under the roof of the CIA. And now they have made yet another company, which is called RAMA. The existence of this intelligence may be news to you, they have decided not to advertise, but it now is — "Military intelligence analyst and Afghanistan." Her assist to make the Indians and her work in the main focused on the destabilization of the situation in Pakistan. "
General Bismillah Khan Mohammadi, former Deputy Minister of Defense of the Northern Alliance with Ahmad Shah Massoud and the Chief of Staff of the Afghan national army in 2002, "whom I know very well," said I, General Gul — "went to India a few days back and offered India five bases three on the eastern border with Pakistan, in Asadabad, Jalalabad, Kandahar, and one in Shindand, near Hurt, and the fifth near Mazar-e-Sharif. These databases are offered for the latest game that there is ". Because, according to him, despite the tough economy, the Indians continued to build its own defense budget — by 20% last year and by a further 34% this.
He also cited as evidence of aspirations to destabilize Pakistan U.S. drone attacks "Predator" in Waziristan, which "angered the inhabitants of the tribal belt of the district Pathan. And this anger is fueled. This fueled the fire kindled by the border of Indian intelligence. Of course, immediately behind them "Mossad". Their no circumstances be there, but there is a lot of evidence that they are there. Hopefully soon the Pakistani government will provide the public some evidence against the Indians. "
After a certain number of days after our conversation with General Gul in the news was made that favorite "Tehrik-e-Taliban," Baitullah Mehsud was killed during the attack drones by the CIA. I contacted and asked Gul commented. "When Baitullah Mehsud and his suicide bombers stormed the Pakistani armed forces and local government agencies, the Pakistani intelligence, often reported to the CIA, where he is. Three times — and this is reportedly the U.S., the Western press — Pakistani intelligence provided America such information, but they did not make attacks. Why are they now announced the reward for information on his whereabouts and killed him? Perhaps because there were some hidden Beytullahom negotiations between Mehsud and the Pakistani military establishment. They wanted to reach a peace agreement, and if you go to the stories, it is always when one of the rebels tribal area wanted to agree with the government, the Americans killed him. " Other examples in the middle of the last ISI chief cited the case when the South American UAV October 30, 2006 stormed the school in the district of Bajaur, where was to be a truce. 82 children were killed.
"So, in my opinion, — General Gul continued, it went to some kind of agreement — perhaps it has already been achieved. I do not know, I have enough disk imaging in this regard. But I suspect that Baytullaha killed as he tried to reach an agreement with the Pakistani army. And because the last 6-7 months, there was no suicide attacks in Pakistan. "
"All this is very disturbing"
The conversation to the question of the Afghan dilemma with drugs, I noted that the leading South American media routinely blamed the Taliban in the opium trade patronage.
According to the disk imaging of the UN Committee on Drugs and Crime (UNODC), the anti-government elements, including the Taliban, but not limited to, receive relatively small percentage of the total drug trade in Afghanistan. Two U.S. intelligence agencies, the CIA and the DIA (Drug Information Association — Association of collecting disk imaging drug trade — approx. Lane.), Report that the Taliban receives from the drug trade of 70 million dollars in revenue per year. The amount may seem impressive, but it is only just 2% of the total profits from the Afghan drug raw disk imaging according to UNODC, in the past year, which amounted to 3.4 billion. bucks.
Meanwhile, the U.S. announced the latest strategy to combat drug trafficking: placing drug traffickers associated with the insurgents (and only drug-related insurgents) in the lists for destruction. So Makar, most of the drug dealers are excluded from the list of targets. In other words, the United States will promote the destruction of opponents of the drug dealers who cooperate with the occupation forces and the A
fghan government, helping them to increase bit of the market.
I pointed out to the former chief ISI, the Afghan opium goes to Europe via Pakistan, Iran and Turkey, also a former Russian republic. According to the former British ambassador to Uzbekistan, Craig Murray, convoys General Rashid Dostum, not so long ago that reassigned Hamid Karzai from his post as Chief of Staff to the Deputy Commander of the Afghan National Army, will deliver drugs across the border. Karzai, the brother of a resident, Ahmed Wali Karzai, has been accused of that is a big drug dealer. And I asked General Gul, who, in his opinion, the chief patron of the Afghan drug trade.
"Well, let me explain to you the history of the Afghan drug trade," — he began his own answer. — "Before she took up the Taliban in 1994, or, more accurately, before the Taliban captured Kabul in September 1996, its volume was 4,500 tons a year. And with the coming to power of the Taliban that amount fell eventually to 50 tons in their last year. This was in 2001. Produced 50 tons. (He repeated it three times). In the past year, a total volume of 6,200 tons. In other words, it grew by 1.5 times in comparison with what was before the era of the Taliban. " With all of this, he, however, noted that the U.S. bestowed Taliban for fighting the creation of drugs. Above 125 million dollars, purchased under the Taliban in Afghanistan as humanitarian aid, south american State Department has allocated another 43 million for anti-drug activities. "Of course, they made mistakes, but they acted sincerely and find the right path. If they pulled into the usual constructive negotiations, it would be great for Afghanistan, "- said Gul.
Referring to the fact that followed the terrorist attacks specifically September 11, 2001, General Gul said that Mullah Omar once emphasized in the process of negotiating their willingness to give Osama bin Laden in any third country for the Sharia court. This proposal was rejected. "Came to me salting the Taliban in Islamabad, and I asked him why they did not conduct an investigation under shown Osama charges, because the U.S. threatened poruha on them. And he said that they have created everything possible. He said that walking to the South American Ambassador — I think it was Milam at the time — and asked to give evidence. But he did not show anything, except newspaper clippings. Salting Taliban said that this is not enough, because he bin Laden, should be before the court of law. He offered to try him in the UN mission in Kabul, but according to the Shariah, because he was a citizen of the Sharia country. Because the Taliban refuses to extradite him to America immediately, because President Bush said that "wants him alive or dead," without a court order pronouncing sentence. " "If we talk about the failure of the U.S. proposal to judge bin Laden in Afghanistan or hand him over to a third country, I think it was a missed opportunity to them," — said Gen. Gul.
Vorachivayas to the subject of drug trafficking, Gul referred to the President's brother, Abdul Wali Karzai, the biggest drug dealer in Afghanistan. He also said that the drug lords are involved in the gun trade, "flourishing" in Afghanistan. "But most of all I care about is that used South American warplanes. You correctly pronounced that the channels are transporting drugs north through Central Asian republics and the Russian part of the country to Europe and beyond. But something sails away outright — military transport aircraft. I have read many times in his own interview, please, listen to my words. I'm not sided personality. In Pakistan, as in the past there are Afghans and they occasionally meet with me and say something. And some of them are very true — I'm concerned about that. And if they say that South American military aircraft are used for this purpose — it is very disturbing information. "