"Admiration for the United States — as a religion"
"The Germans were amputated brains!" These words in the mouth of the brilliant German political scientist Alexander Rahr sound like a slap in the face. Our conversation with him about the Russian-German relations laced with bitterness of his disappointment. Director, Center for them. Berthold Beitz, German Council on Foreign Relations Alexander Rahr, known in Europe as the preeminent expert on Russia. His books about Putin "German in the Kremlin" and "Where will Putin?" Made a lot of noise in the West and called broadside author in excessive sympathy for "those Russian." This descendant of the first wave of Russian immigrants — a sober assessment European who speaks longingly about missed opportunities.
Alexander Rahr Glebovich — German journalist, political scientist, Director of the Marshall Center. Berthold Beitz, German Council on Foreign Relations (DGAP). Born in 1959 in Taipei (Taiwan). In 1988 he graduated from the University of Munich, where he studied the history of Eastern Europe. In 1995 he was Program Director for Russia and CIS at the German Council on Foreign Relations. He was awarded the highest award of the Federal Republic of Germany — the Order "For Services to the Federal Republic of Germany" — for his contribution to the development of German-Russian relations. Honorary Professor of Moscow State Institute, a member of the Council on Foreign Relations of Germany. Author of books, biographies of Gorbachev (1986), Vladimir Putin ("German in the Kremlin," 2000).
— The strategic alliance of high Germany and resource-rich Russia (Russian dream of a long historical) did not take place. Arrogant German elite of him did not even think. But why?
— The Germans still feel that in Europe, which their parents have built after the Second World War. Their system has won, and lost to Russia in the Cold War, it is not interesting to them. Germans live in the feeling of triumph of liberal values and the Western democracies, which must not only protect, but also to export any, even aggressive methods, taking root in other continents and alien culture. This great idea of a world of forced happiness 90 years ago promoted the USSR. If you talk to the representatives of the Western elite and explains to them: "Gentlemen! You behave in the same way as the Soviet Union! "- They do not understand.
Two ideas wholly owned European minds. The first — the idea transatlantizma, born after the Second World War. Admiration for the United States — is a deep religious feeling. Europeans are willing to tolerate even some crazy Republican led U.S. like McCain or Mitt Romney. To feel secure against possible enemy in Russia, Iran, North Korea and the Islamic world. They close their eyes to the fact that America has changed, and its geo-political interests of Europe has to play along. It is still closer to Europe than neighbor Russia, not professing Western values. Russian are building a nation-state, which deters many.
The second global idea in the minds — the sacred Europe that guarantees European nations peace, stability and prosperity.
"The Europeans have one prospect — SIBERIA"
— Is the financial crisis, even they are not sober?
— People are used to the fact that crises are resolved. The last generation of Germans did not see no blood, no wars. They grew up in such an incredible well-being, they shut down the instinct of danger. They are not looking for innovative approaches to geopolitics, consider themselves smarter than others and think that they can permanently save your comfort. So did the Romans, the barbarians have not come. Europeans are more willing to learn from others. How many were here before Sinologist, Arabists, specialists on Islam, the Balkans and Russia. A modern Europe — it's not just ignorance. It is a rejection of knowledge. Ten years ago the Russian told me: "You Germans are clever! You avoid talking to us about the strategy, and expect that we will lay out cards on the table. " It took another ten years, and now I hear: "We have the impression that the Germans did not hide from us their thoughts. There's nothing to hide. They just do not have! Germans indeed amputated brains. "
— Consequently, the idea of a strategic exchange of Russian resources to the German technology of the Germans is not attractive?
— No. I will say more, they do not attract any idea coming from Russia. Neither the energy alliance that offered Putin. Nor any other of his idea — the joint construction and modernization of Siberia. Remember, as 200 years ago, the first stream of Europeans went to America? Now Russian offer to open their spaces of Siberia and the Far East for the European colonists, resistant, hard-working and closer to you in mentality than the Chinese.
— Utopia! I myself come from the Far East, the Russian did not go there, let alone the Germans?
— Two centuries ago, too, argued: who will go to America or Canada? Come on people — out of despair, of crises. In Russia the crisis yet. There, in the depths of the house can be bought cheaply and vast land, low taxes there. In the States today, of course, will not go. But will travel to Siberia when the conditions for settlement and otstraivaniya and when Europe will intensify the crisis. Other way the Europeans do not, they run out of resources.
— It will be a European colonization Russia?
— Why not? Russia needs Western technology and Europe needs to expand living space. Just Europeans have not yet matured to the idea that Russia can feed them. How many interesting possibilities would open alliance between Russia and Europe! Russia may build nuclear reactors and provide cheap electricity to its neighbors. It could pave the way north to goods from Europe to Japan and China went to ten days earlier than now go through the Suez Canal and Africa. Russia even invited to participate in missile defense and thus become a defender of Europe from the East, and Asia. And she did not even say thank you. No one applauded the fact that the Russian are willing to sacrifice their own territory to shoot down Iranian missiles on it and Koreans to defend Europe. All took it as a matter of course!
Attitude to Russia for the last three years has changed. This East. "Yes, unfortunately, you're richer than we are! — Shouts West. — But stay where you are. And do not be on us! We have a higher culture. — We are the Renaissance, the great thinkers and scientists. Are you in the Middle Ages, selling wood, tar and fur coats, and now oil and gas. It's not enough to become a great empire. " I'm trying to build bridges, but it seems to me they are not wanted. The idea of a united Europe from the Atlantic to Vladivostok existed twenty years ago, but is now dead.
"Pro-German policy in the Kremlin, and the Germans ITS spit!"
— I'm not surprised. Inspire people to think that Russia — the evil. The whole German press about Russia — a stream of incredible absurdities and spit in his face.
— About Russian writing or bad, either way. For local journalists perpetual whipping boy — Schroeder, who retired in Gazprom. No one understands that it is through his efforts that Germany has the cheapest gas. And what hysteria began in the press after the election of Putin! They just went crazy, that can not do anything! But Putin said Germanophile. I even wrote a book about it, "German in the Kremlin." He really wants to make friends through Germany and converge with the West. But he had a romantic idea about our country. He does not see how things are in reality. He comes here with a pure heart. This is his beloved Germany, where he once had a beer in the pub and was friends with the Germans. And now many customized hostile to him. They shout to him: "Stop the war in Chechnya!" They do not know that the war is long over. Germany commits a stupid strategic mistake. The Kremlin sits pro-German politician, and his ever spit in the German press.
— We repeat the historical error, extending the hand of friendship Germany? Maybe we should talk from a position of strength?
— The strength of the Germans like it. They bow to American power. And before the moral force of Israel. This is the main thing here is taboo and the second religion that is built very well.
— There is a strong opinion that the Germans have to constantly beat the moral holocaust mace, or a beast of fascism wake up again …
— Some think that the Holocaust should hang over the Germans still two years that they always have to poke his nose in the fact that they killed six million Jews. See how quickly silenced Gunter Grass. (In 2012, the German writer Günter Grass, the Nobel laureate, published a poem, "What is to be said," in which Israel is criticized for threatening a preemptive strike on Iran because of its nuclear program. He said that Israel has secretly developed nuclear weapons that are not available for international control. In response, Israel declared the writer persona non grata. — DA) Grass understands their 85, that the world stands on the brink of a third world war. If Israel strikes Iran, Iran, unlike Iraq, will defend. Start terror around the world. Remember September 11. The video "Al-Qaeda" was made clear: our actions — the vengeance of the Palestinians. Israeli factor has played a huge role in the attack on America.
— Speaking in the Knesset, German Chancellor Angela Merkel said that Germany's historic responsibility for the security of Israel is part of the legitimization of her country (literally — the foundation of its existence). If Israel goes to war, Germany should automatically support him, right or wrong.
— What is the conflict? On the one hand, the hand of Israel to its fate Europe can not. After all, the only democracy in the Middle East. On the other hand, can not control them. They do not allow the Palestinians to establish their own state. Provoke tensions with regard to the Arabs. Actually, Gunter Grass said that it is time to Germany to have the courage to criticize Israeli policy, but the German ruling elite rejects this approach.
"DO NOT FEEL GUILTY TO RUSSIAN"
— Jews to the Germans managed to instill a guilt complex. Why did no one remembers about twenty million Russian dead in the Second World War, the genocide of Roma and Belarusians?
— The Germans do not feel guilt in regard to Russian. They think: yes, it's terrible that there was World War II. But the Russian still won and got good trophies and took away a third of the Germans. The winner took the historic part of Germany — Prussia and raped her. Russia so punished and tortured Germany …
— Germany … that does not bear a moral obligation? Winners are not sorry?
— Right. Too many believe that it is to blame Russia to Germany, not vice versa.
— Unthinkable! We are of the breadth of the Russian soul forgive the Germans of their crimes, as it turns out, no one was in need of our generosity!
— Understand, I was teaching in a different school than you. The entire history of World War II in the European consciousness — it's either the Holocaust story, or the story of two bandits scum of humanity Stalin and Hitler, who climbed on top of each other, because we could not divide the world. And, unfortunately, one villain won, is Stalin. And it just had to finish, as well as Hitler. We were taught that Russia has not won in the Second World War. It is the Americans saved Europe from the Red Army, as aggressive as Hitler, who would have reached the Atlantic Ocean, if not brave American soldiers. So teach and our children. East Germans and Poles, too, have learned the western point of view. They see themselves as victims and are seeking compensation from Russia.
— In the Western media demonizing I see a new Russia. There is a preparation of the population of the West to the idea of the legitimacy of the intervention against Russia on the grounds that "these barbarians" illegally own resources! Remember the phrase U.S. Secretary of State Madeleine Albright about how unfair that one country disposes of such wealth as Siberia?
— Well, this quote you will not find on the Internet. She just quoted some American philosophers who say that the future of humanity can survive only under the condition that the resources will be shared and above them will establish international control. To all mankind could use them.
— But is the meaning of this changed? I watch in the Western press intense bombardment of public opinion vulgar idea: oil pipe in the hands of Russian barbarians, which open and close it without reason. You just have to take away the pipe.
— Feeling your interesting. If the world is as you describe, then Putin is right in insisting that the only nuclear weapon frightens the enemies and keep them under control. But the West does not want to seize territory. He wants to win the spiritual space.
— But it is even more dangerous! The so-called "humanitarian intervention" is not far removed from the Middle Ages. You take people's souls, the devil, and you take away their souls through the gold!
— I agree with that. My saint — Alexander Nevsky, Prince of Novgorod. Then Tatars controlled all of Russia, Novgorod and paid them tribute. And they came to the Alexander Nevsky Crusaders, envoys of the Pope, with the sentence: "We will help you cope with the Tatars, and drive them from Russia, and for this you will forget his orthodoxy and accept the Catholic faith. Take our values and become a part of Europe. " And while Europe was closer to Alexander on Christian grounds, he took the side of the Crusaders. Conversely. Defeated them and drove from Russia. He reasoned as follows: Tatars lesser evil, because they did not destroy the spirit of the people and did not touch his Orthodox traditions. And without the Orthodox spirit in his mind, the Russian people dead.