Drakakhrust: "Whose heritage is BNR? Or only those who celebrate March 25? Thus, we — not only on the formal side of the historical, ideological and about? Opening a charter known third BNR, we read:" The right to private property land is abolished. "It is almost exactly that — a question of Lukashenko’s referendum in 1996. So who belongs BNR inheritance?"
Shibeko: "This is the treasure, which the Belarusian people still not know and experienced. It — Event tremendous importance for the Belarusian people, and it belongs to all the people of Belarus. The only problem — is to understand the meaning and significance of March 25, 1918.
On their own ideological orientation she was a socialist state, as well as, by the way, and the Byelorussian SSR. This was a tragedy of our history that we were able to develop two socialist municipal projects and did not have an alternative, more right, more liberal project of statehood.
Why did it happen that we do not know about this treasure of heritage? This is explained by the ideological struggle between the creators of the BSSR and BNR. In fact, those and others were social democrats, socialists. It so happened that more applicable to our people was the socialist ideology. And it was, you might say, inner-party struggle, but with different orientations — the East and the West, and mostly — on independence. "
Drakakhrust: "Semen Bookchin, how would you answer the question — who owns this inheritance?"
Bookchin: "In my opinion, a legacy of the BNR now belongs to history and historians, including Zahar pochetaemomu Shibeko. But coupled with the fact should pay attention to what afterdnie 10 or even more years, as this date approaches, it occurs in society. When to go out and ask passers-by, they will start to wrinkle his brow and remember that something has long been, and coupled with the fact some terrible date.
All the same, this date slowly in recent years, if not included in the consciousness, in a way of life. She, along with Belarusian citizen lives, like he did not belong to her.
And the fact that most celebrations, most date is not acquired wide sound, then it’s obviously our political situation. If there was a different situation, one can imagine for themselves what could be the transmission on television, what films, people would know. By the way, if not to somehow reconcile, then at least show these two historical trends — Bolshevik and national, would have been the usual controversy. Not such that we remember from the days of perestroika and the first years of independence, with that anger, and the usual scientific controversy, almost all of which we have learned. By the way, have learned about the biographies of the people. And this very principle it would be revived because a very important period of Belarusian history.
As for the third charters, the emperor Shibeko fully human, they were guided by the socialists and socialist slogans. "
Drakakhrust: "Pavel Morozov, Bookchin Simon started his own answer with a catchy thesis, maybe a little provocative, that the inheritance belongs to the history of BPR, although everyone said their response may or may denied this your thesis. So all the same inheritance BNR belongs to history or not ? "
Akudovich: "I’m here with your employees is obliged to simply agree. Main event in the development of the Belarusian People’s Republic was the development of the country. BNR And because there is an integral heritage of every citizen of the Republic of Belarus. And Alexander Lukashenko including. Whether its first specifically because he is the first president of the Belarusian-independent country, which is nothing other than the successor of the Belarusian People’s Republic, although it is not legally formalized and even in public is not declared.
As for applets and BNR this point, we for some reason always accentuate it nationalistic nuance. But the implementation of the national idea as such was not the main idea of the applets. The program is actually what my colleagues have already had read, was the Social Democratic Party. And it’s completely natural, because leftist ideas held sway then throughout Europe and in the midst of the creators of the BNR Rey led the Belarusian Social-Democrats.
Drakakhrust: "The Emperor Bookchin why significant (perhaps larger) part of the Belarusian society and segodnyaschy Belarusian authorities do not perceive March 25, BNR day education as a significant date Belarusian own stories, shall be removed to take it in your own state myth? What is the cause: in the famous telegram kayzeru, that independence was the department, a break with Russia, that the creators of the BNR had read in Belarusian? "
Bookchin: "If from the last start, it seems to me that you, Yuri, flattering before ordinary Belarusian citizen, and that he knows about kayzeru telegram, and the break with Russia, and that the creators of the BNR had read in Belarusian. If the average Belarusian is known, then the hat in front of him would have to be removed for his experience. Yeah, he does not know it.
And I still think that although we say that it is a common date, must be distinguished from the case impartial party affairs to the complex problems associated with the BNR, the authorities and the population. Though the power of their ancestry is from the Union and the Russian Bolshevik ideology. Although it is more than a propaganda tool, we know this price. But she does not trust another, dislikes and reveals how his own opponents.
As for the population, people did not talk about it. Yes, we are very grateful and Gritskevich and sovereign Shibeko and our other historians, but it is not a fact of wider public life. Was not a matter, I am not afraid of the word propaganda, it was necessary to talk about it, the films had to be artistic, documentary, portraits these people. This does not negate would I have read about this debate.
Therefore, the way it happened. And only the young people who wish to be Belarusians she been reading it, took it in his heart, in his own mind, and she lives with this. But this, unfortunately, is the smallest part of our society. Rest and, unfortunately, most suited to this wary, because she does not know. "
Drakakhrust: "The Emperor Morozov, do you agree with this latter thesis sovereign Bookchin that significant, perhaps, a large part of society refers to the BNR wary because they do not know? In accordance with the approach of the Enlightenment and the emperor read Shibeko. Question I have here : and that people could find out about the BNR what fact of history BNR could radically change their view? Already at the level of school programs from people know what was announced in the midst of war, a few months later was defeated. So this is important. So either deal in knowledge or any other factors, culturally, polit
ically adslanyayuts people from that date of this action? "
Akudovich: "On the one hand, I salidaryzuyusya with the monarch Simeon that if I knew exactly extensively in the society of the BNR, the ratio and the ratio might be a little different. But Belarusians do not celebrate its own weight, mark March 25 as they did not give the order to celebrate this event.
Yet only recently the whole country celebrated the day of the October Revolution. And what scale, how many songs spyavalasya much vodka followed! And did not this power prazdnichek support, even after leaving this solemn day, and he was reincarnated in heaven knows what.
Together with the fact some places I agree with your Yuri concealed thesis that things are not so simple. That even if the Belarusians are now more widely known about this event, about the nature of BPR, and the program from its similar, then certain alienation among the masses would remain. After all, those national values that still allocated BNR remain for a huge number of Belarusians strangers. In the main they own weight and now to the public idea, language and culture of Belarus as such are quite cautious. So I think that while this fear on public values in society will, until the time of the BNR will celebrate and defend this event only way affiliated with the national people. "
Drakakhrust: "The Emperor Shibeko, I have to you as" children "issue. Here they say — people do not know. And what they could find out about the BNR to change their attitude? I think. What ordinary Poles also on days of independence Poland does not know all the details. Him rather that today Poland was declared to be independent. "
Shibeko: "It is necessary to consider not only the factor of knowledge, and the mentality of our people, their attitude to such values as independence. When ignorance factor also plays a huge role. Though the problem is not so much ignorance of the population, the problem of how ignorance of the Belarusian elite.
It happened, and it saw Astrid Sahm, popular German dasledchytsa Belarus that we share the ideological barricades. BNR and the Byelorussian SSR are such a strong barricade, which persists to this day. Because those elites who are descended from the Byelorussian SSR, do not perceive the BNR.
BNR relatively imperative in today’s elites are three main legends. First — they were nationalists. Second — is bourgeois. And the third — they announced BNR under German occupation, starting from Russia. This three sins that stand in the way of awareness activities BNR.
As for nationalism, the emperor Morozov already read about it, as nationalism and lacked BNR. Even in those criteria we were more internationalist, were supporters of federation or confederation with Lithuania, Ukraine, Russia and Poland. Nationalism then we just did not have enough, and it was he who was the ideology that provided suverennasts and independence. Finland and Poland were quite nationalistic, and therefore retained their independence.
Second myth — that it was some landowners and the bourgeoisie who wished to suppress the Belarusian people, focusing on the West. Here we also states that burzhuaznastsyu here and did not smell, it was a socialist and in fact Russian government everywhere in Belarus then elected Parliament — the same advice.
Well, the most "horrible" moment that maybe pushes more current administration — that this government has been declared under German occupation. Tipo Germans did to us this statehood. People do not know that the choices made BNR Belarusian people, delegates All-Belarusian Congress in December 1917. Then gathered 1872 delegates, representing virtually all of Belarus. And BNR fulfilled this mandate to the Congress — do Belarusian People’s Republic, and the defiance of the will of the German occupiers.
As for the famous telegram kayzeru, then it only expressed gratitude kayzeru for liberation from the Bolsheviks and make a request to assist the Belarusian statehood. There has been no request to take custody, we would not accept a protectorate over Germany, we did not agree with the state of the satellite countries. By the way, it agreed to the Lithuanians. "
Drakakhrust: "Well — and ultimately, the future of the date March 25, as an indicator of configurations in Belarusian society. Remains whether he prazdnichkom part of society with certain political views, as it is, by the way, was in 1991-1993, before coming to power of Alexander Lukashenko, will be all the same national prazdnichkom? And in no case will the second, what is needed? Zahar Shibeko do you think? "
Shibeko: "Not only in our advantages, and in all those shortcomings, which we have seen and our state feature. What we are extraordinary that we are subjected to communization, that we decide in the midst of others.
We created a basic framework — the ethnic, cultural, scientific, in order to exist as a government. We just do not have enough reliable roof in this building. This is a very fundamental part because roofless building could collapse.
BNR recognition — it would just be a very good step to strengthen our roof. It will happen, I think, late or early. Faster than we reject the politicization of this action, the politicization of history, the faster it will happen.
Initially, it will be prazdnichkom historians, and later prazdnichkom entire nation. Now it is prazdnichek certain part of our society that values citizenship Belarus, the value of the country, and later it will be prazdnichkom all people, including our control. I believe it is very very. "
Bookchin: "I am not a prophet, the history of the past 15-20 years, witnesses and participants we were confirms unpredictable temper. But what I believe fully that like it may be, there will always be people (I do not presume to say to them more or less) that will keep in mind that this date, will celebrate her, will explore the history of the BNR. BNR, March 25 — it is totally unrealistic to kill phenomenon, it is the memory of people who wish to keep in mind this and live. "
Drakakhrust: "Pavel Morozov, and your eyes, long to be this prazdnichek prazdnichkom just as you wrote in your own essay," archipelago of Belarus "will be prazdnichkom of the Belarusian" ocean "? And there is this question — or will not become 25 March prazdnichkom national, state indicator Belarusian society? "
Akudovich: "If you start from the end of your question — about the indicator, in some sense it is really so. But I wanted to come back early to your remarks that day were not celebrating the creation of BNR at the municipal level and before Alexander came to power Lukashenko. know, if there was a strong communist lebi to prevent this in the registry of municipal prazdnichek. Even during the existence of strong communist forces of the national democratic movement, which was in opposition to it, including the creation of the BNR day as the 1st of the main ideological utensils own applets.
And then came Alexander Lukashenko. For his main force, which needed beat was national-democratic movement. And all that championed this movement — the language of the BNR, state history and culture — has become a political opponent, if you like — this
newest enemy power. And shedid everything, to load the negative connotation and evaluation of a BPR. BNR in a sense turned to captive hostage of political struggle.
And now, when the power is almost routed the opposition, these democratic forces, it could return the BNR and legitimacy in relation to itself. And if this government will last a long time yet, I think she will do so. In fact BPR there is nothing that would particularly objected current government.
And when this power or other return BNR status of political and ideological legitimacy, and this change will occur. And at some point it will certainly happen. Nowhere in the future the Belarusian authorities not escape from legitimizing this prazdnichka, this action as municipal. "
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