Alexander Odinets: We have our daughter pochetat emigrants


"The post-war emigration: Crossroads fate" — so called book journalist Alexander Odintsov, which in old days was published in Minsk in the series "Library of the Fatherland." In the 700-page book includes a memoir of 73 of our fellow citizens who, during the second world war for political reasons were required to leave Belarus and travel to the West. With an advance copy of the book created to come back to our studio the Ming.
Michas Scoble: "Alexander, June 20 from his own 6 years you years wasand a staff member of the sports newspaper "Pressball" — wrote about sports. And suddenly interested in the fate of Belarusian emigrants. What made you so constructively change the subject? "
Alexander Odinets: "I went to Germany for family reasons. Galynsky My wife Anna — a popular athlete, handball, it was played for the national team of Belarus earlier. We got married and I moved in with her to Germany. Doing real journalism became difficult, the distance between Germany and Belarus big announcements get hard. So I decided to turn up another topic. Boris China became interested person, who also lives in Germany, with more than 30 years. decided to write about him a newspaper article. associated with it, we met and talked. I was so impressed with his interlocutors that decided to do the theme of emigration and continue. "
Scoble: "My friends, who are in contact with immigrants, especially post-war wave, they say that the most difficult thing — to capture their trust. Emigrants from you, as I thought, nothing to hide, as if the confession. As for you managed to conjure up for themselves so trusting are you? "
Odinets: "Indeed, it was a very difficult task. Emigres mostly people fearful that explained, certainly, their heaviest fate. But 73 immigrants were not afraid to come into contact with me, to tell about their own fate. Approximately the same number of people, unfortunately, refused to cooperate — just because of distrust to my personality. Well, I’ve never been in emigre circles, either in the U.S. or Australia, or Canada, and personally, no one knew. And it was the greatest hindrance. Had somehow justify that you are not a spy, not intelligence agent. was nothing for me to do but just ask people that they trusted me. "
Scoble: "And you can call people who refused to talk?"
Odinets "Refused, for example, the famous writer Konstantin Shark, who lives in Canada. Pity, because such people could shed some light on that or other event in the history of Belarus occupied or history of emigration. For me this is a very sad fact."
Scoble: "Belarusian emigration we have hitherto remained maladasledavanym continent. Remember fifteen years back the world saw an interview with Leonid Pronchaka book" Belarusian America "- a conversation with our compatriots who have been the will of fate in the United States. Belarusians And from what appear on the pages of your books? "
Odinets: "I tried to envelop all countries, all the continents where untouched postwar immigrant from Belarus. This is Australia, Canada, USA, France, Germany, Belgium, Czech Republic, Poland. In Argentina, I was able to find only one Belarusian — Wanda Gubart-Drugavets. Australian Belarusians in the book involved Janka Borisevich, Avgen Pear, Misha Luzhin … England — Yuri Vesyalkovski, Lelia Mikhalyuk … From the United States — Misha Belemuk, Lengina Brilevskaya Boris Danyluk, Zhamoida Simon, son of Frantisek Kushel Arsenyev Vladimir and Natalia Kushel, Dr. Mitro Smarschok (aka poet Anatoly Birch), who in ’92 … Of Belarusian Germans were able to talk with the artist Anatoly Tchaikovsky, Nadezhda Kasmovich she, by the way, niece Kolas. Poland is famous Belarusian Tatar Matthew Kanapatsky it — Tartar origin, but a great patriot Belarus. You could say — with the Belarusian Tatar heart.
In short, immigrants live by Worldwide, even at the origins of the Amazon. A separate chapter in the book — a memoir about our Boris China recognizable emigrants who were relegated to the world the best. I wish to recall the good word Oleg Gordienko, who performed a truly Huge work on editing text. He also wrote a very cost Biographical Dictionary, placed in the book. "
Scoble: "You mentioned Vladimir Kushel, Hope Kasmovich. They’ll motivate themselves as individuals or in their memoirs mirror you want to create their recognizable relatives?"
Odinets: "And this and that. I did not put myself in front of goal to record only recognizable people. Faster contrast, little-known or completely unknown to me was even more fun to say."
Scoble: "Your book consists of various genres — here and memories and interviews. How did you work? Circulate any questionnaires? Met? Talk on the phone?"
Odinets: "The main part of the material was collected specifically on the phone. Fortunately, in Germany, I had the opportunity — a long time to use the international telephone service. Some discussion lasted for three, four, five o’clock. And only with some expats I was fortunate to encounter personally . "
Scoble: "On the pages of the book you gave the floor to representatives of various political movements — the supporters of the BNR and BCR. Than you were guided in choosing their own heroes?"
Odinets "free man represents the stage from which he could not fully express themselves freely. Regardless of the political and religious views. This is one of my goals — in the book there are no restrictions. And their political views, I tried to hide."
Scoble: "Here you talk about the free tribune … And on the seven hundred pages of your book I have not found any 1st follower of Alexander Lukashenko. All criticize him."
Odinets: "It’s really true. Midst representatives specifically political postwar emigration Lukashenko supporters I have not met., Even I would be curious to find such person. But, unfortunately, or fortunately, I did not fall for such. "
Scoble: "Hunting pay attention to what your book is very timely. Since immigrants postwar wave on the eyes go. With whom do you want, but do not have time to talk?"
Odinets "With Basil spanking did not, he was already over ninety years. Was a highly educated man in postwar Germany as a teacher, and then held the highest positions in large firms in the United States. Peter was also such Savchits, one of the organizers of the Belarusian community in Argentina, he was killed during our correspondence. Lived in New York Chair Ivan, who served during the second world war in Vileika. He also died. There were other occasions when I have come in contact with the man, sent him a letter, his hopes for a positive response, and the man died. A month after our conversation Boris Ragulya died, he was very weak, but very courageously gave me an interview, though, it was felt that it would be hard read. Soon after the interview killed Bartul France from New York and Nicholas Latushkin of Chicago. "
Scoble: "In time me here, in Belarus, had to meet with Prince Sapieha Yavstaham Severin, who left his homeland in 1939 and 1940 living in Kenya. Belarus — in Ruzhany, Derechin, Grodno — 85-year-old prince felt happy. Many of your buddies emigrants did not dare to come to Belarus. Do you think there’s something they really would be in danger, or it has a typical phobia — fear of the authorities, the KGB, etc.? "
Odinets: "I’m sure they at home nothing would threaten. Belarusian independence After many emigrants came back and relaxed vorachivalis. Nobody arrested, not punished. This particular phobia. But I understand these people. Horror sits very deep in them, as they have experienced horrible acts of war, postwar aggressive repatriation to their homeland. And many were not able to overcome this fear. But at home they really wanted to. As noted during our conversation Ragulya Boris, his greatest dis
aster — that he did not come in independent Belarus, did not attend his own Novogrudok. And there people hitherto good word recall ragulevski legion rescued Belarusians military scrape. Anton Shukeloyts also did not dare to come to Belarus. Poet Misha feather also never visited the land, although his wife came three times, while for the first time in Russian still time. And many similar cases: people could not overcome their own fear. "
Scoble: "I remembered the lines Vladimir Klishevich" outlandish beacons not sanctify our night "- sounds like a proverb. And what a proverb for you here, in Belarus, remember? Bona own penny in our piggy bank folk wisdom."
Odinets "Do carefully, and there is Vilnius. Belarusian statehood should be built specifically in Belarus. Preserve our good traditions, language, culture. Belarusians should be called, not by" the children of the USSR " which can be meet worldwide. In Germany, people often have to create T-shirts with the inscription "USSR", etc. It hurt to watch. We young Belarusians have to give kudos to our emigrants who far outside their homeland to save beloruschinu. This striking example for many Belarusians living in their own country. "

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